they see president obama and new york city the same day that netenyahu is here instead of meeting with him, he goes on a talk show. they see the secretary of defense walk them back. they are not changing their mind. that's what we have to do is change their mind -- >> how do you do it so quickly. look you both saw benjamin netenyahu hold up the picture of a bomb with a red line and talking about the red line being in spring. so can you solve this -- if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, can you solve this in two months before spring and avoid -- >> ryan: we can debate the time line whether it's that short of time or longer -- i agree it's probably longer. number two, it's -- >> you don't agree with that bomb -- >> ryan: look we both agree that to do this peacefully you have got them to change their minds. they are not changing their minds -- >> biden: let me tell you what the ayatollah sees. he sees his economy being crippled. the ayatollah sees 50% less exports of oil, he sees his economy going in a freefall, and he sees the world totally united in opposition to him getting a nuclear